Why BABYLON 5 Was Superior To DS9

Babylon-5-Cast21That’s right, I’m going “full nerd” on this one, engaging in a debate that sci-fi dorks loved to have bitter battles about in the ’90s.

BABYLON 5, a cable series created by J. Michael Straczynski, was forever compared to the slightly more mainstream STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE 9, which many claiming that DS9 ripped B5 off.  I can’t comment on whether or not that happened, as I wasn’t there, but comparing the two shows, I’ve never felt there was any question which one was stronger.

To its credit, DS9 got a lot of things right. Its production value and cast were top notch, and it did things that had never been done before in any TREK show. A lot of the character development was great, with Odo and Gul Dukat having the strongest plotlines.

But the show suffered to me in that it was very unfocused. For most of the first two seasons, the show wasn’t even any about any one thing. It was just “the TREK show that wasn’t on a ship.” Each of the characters had individual storylines, but there was no unifying theme. Once the Dominion was introduced, it became the main focus of the show, but even then, there were many other little storylines (the Maqui, the Ferengi episodes, the MIrror Universe episodes) that really had nothing to do with anything. Even once the war started, the show was still all over the place, with random episodes like “Honor Among Thieves,” “Time’s Orphan,” and “Prodigal Daughter” that felt so small-scale being set while a war was going on. Season 7 in general was a weak ending in my opinion.  The single strongest episode of all DS9 is often regarded to be “The Visitor,” which tells a beautiful stand-alone story, yet has no real connection to the rest of DS9.  As ConfusedMatthew put it, “The Visitor” is basically a TOS episode.

Now B5, despite weaker production value and some stiff dialog, was about one thing: Story. It tells a strong story over the course of five seasons, as if one long novel. And it builds its own mythology, with various legends and mythical elements. It was like LORD OF THE RINGS in space: a true epic.

DS9 was hindered by the fact it was part of a larger franchise that couldn’t be tampered with too much. We all knew that the Dominion would never win the war; if they did it would screw up the stories occurring on VOYAGER and the TNG movies. In fact, it was pretty awkward how in INSURRECTION, Picard only gives the Dominion a passing reference when there was supposed to be a war going on. On B5 on the other hand, all bets were off.

DS9-castThis leads to another point: the fact it was part of a franchise kept DS9 from taking risks. For example, they tried to introduce the idea of moral ambiguity for Sisko (“In the Pale Moonlight“) as well as Starfeelt (Section 31). But these were only passing things. They expect kids to buy Sisko action figures and place them next to their Kirk and Picard action figures, so we all knew they would never really make him do anything that bad. Same with Starfleet. B5, on the other hand, had zero problem making Earth the villain, and showing being caught in moral shades of gray.

Religion was a theme in both shows, but it was also dealt with much more intelligently on B5. On DS9, the characters simply were religious (Kira in particular talked about it a lot) and did a few interesting episodes with Kai Winn before getting confused in the final season and having a bizarre finale where Sisko and Dukat fought over a magic book with spells in it. I also found it weird that the Bajorans talk about having “faith” in the Prophets when it was a demonstrable fact that they existed and all one had to do was fly into the wormhole to talk to them directly. B5 was more mature in that it showed a multitude of religions from the different races and cultures, and it never really “judged”them. Basically, DS9 was all about talking about religion; B5 showed how it affected the plot of the story.

Deep_space_9Finally, I would like to say that the actual Babylon 5 station was just a plain more interesting place than the Deep Space 9 station was. The Deep Space 9 station was not that integral to the story and its only real political significance was that it was located by the wormhole, which was only relevant sometimes. Many of the episodes, possibly even MOST of the episodes, could easily have taken place on Deep Space 1-8, or on a ship, without the stories being affected at all. The Babylon 5 station, on the other hand, is a unique place in its story’s universe, being one of a kind and being politically neutral. When the station breaks away from Earth politically, it becomes a sovereign state. This makes the station a thematic symbol.

B5None of this is to say that DS9 was a bad show; but I just feel that when you put the two side by side, there really is no contest. Whenever someone tells me they are watching DS9, I usually tell them: “As soon as you’re done, go watch B5. It’s basically the same show, done a lot better.”

Join me next time when I discuss B5 in more detail…



7 thoughts on “Why BABYLON 5 Was Superior To DS9

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  2. I have to agree. Re-watching B5 though it does start rocky and steadily improve until the end of Season 4. The whole Season 5 situation was unfortunate. JMS should just have let go at 4.

  3. B5’s creator and production team were not notified about being picked up for season 5, so Straczynski jammed the B5/Earth conflict into Season 4. (It certainly made the second half of season 4 very exciting!) When they were approved for a fifth season, he had to come up with stuff, like the telepaths, and Bester (one of the best villains ever). I think he might have thought about a telepath war movie after the show was complete, between Lyta’s telepaths and the PsiCorp. Love to have seen that!

    I have to say I don’t agree with all of your points, but they are your opinion, after all. I love both shows and I do think B5 was better in that it have a 5-year storyline, with individual episodes not having much to do with that storyline; however, you can see lots of little things and hear some statements that do pertain to the arc in many of those episodes if you pay attention. Also, Straczyinski shopped B5 to Paramount before DS9 was develop; many people believe Paramount stole the space station idea from him. I don’t really care, I just love both shows.

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  5. ….just finished ds9 and I still think B5 is so far better than ds9. Ds9 dragged through 5 season just to get interesting….B5 on the other hand only had a handful of really cringe worthy shows. I’ve watched B5 maybe 5-6 time now….love it.

  6. I saw DS9 several years before I first saw B5. In fact, I didn’t watch B5 until after the series ended, which left me watching reruns. Needless to sasy . . . I heartily agree. In regard to the final seasons of the two shows – I think that B5 was still better. Yes, both the Shadow War and the Earth Civil War ended in Season 4. But what I liked about the fifth season of “B5” was that it was willing to show the aftermath and consequences of those conflicts – both the good and the bad. My only complaint about Season 5 of “Babylon 5” was its initial portrayal of the telepath refugees. They came off as “flower children of the 1960s” in their earlier appearance. It was hard to bear. Fortunately, things got more interesting. Also, Season 5 featured the consequences that some species had to pay for its interactions with both the Vorlons and the Shadows. Perhaps that is why Season 5 ended on a bittersweet note. Many fans didn’t want that. They wanted the series to end on a high note with the end of the Earth Civil War. If that was the case, then “Babylon 5” might as well be a Trek show.

    The Trek franchise, on the other hand, has never been willing to show the aftermath of the Dominion War. Never. Then again, I found its portrayal of the Maquis and some of the uglier aspects of the Federation and Humanity rather limited and a bit cowardly. Don’t get me wrong. I love “Deep Space Nine”, but I never felt that it really lived up to its potential. On the other hand, I believe “Babylon 5” did.

  7. You’re really an idiot if you think B5 and DS9 are “the same show.” You can’t tell the difference between context and subtext, something even JMS himself admitted to. Look, I love B5, really. I just finished Season 4, and have been on it for a year. But I love DS9. Don’t turn this into a damned pissing contest. If you love one over the other, that’s great. Personal preference is still one of the great benefits of modern society and freedom of choice. But even so, if you’re going to MAKE somebody choose, then I’ll gladly choose DS9. I’ve known of it longer, and my loyalties are to Trek. I understand the argument that Trek is easier to get made, especially with later installments like Star Trek: Discovery proving just how far the talent has been sucked out of this franchise that they can still keep it going as a zombie product and that JMS undeservedly had to struggle to get it made. I can totally agree he was screwed by the networks. That said, DS9 is its own story, and despite similarities, they are completely different. If JMS felt otherwise, he would have sued. I mean, you are just flat-out ignorant. I think the only reason people love DS9 nowadays is because we’re in such an absence of quality science-fiction, that it’s one of the highlights of the 1990s. It’s the same phenomenon you see with Disney’s Star Wars. And stuff like how now freakin’ Enterprise is being reevaluated, is that how far we’ve sunk? LOL. Because one of the common complaints of DS9 was that during its time, it was not “true to Gene’s vision.” It was doing something new, it was pioneering. And B5 was new too, and not just in a way that the concepts were being done first side-by-side. The only real problems with both shows came late in their run, and with DS9, it was a case of franchise fatigue, and for B5, that JMS was really screwed by the networks, which I can admit to. And I love both, don’t get me wrong. But this is pointless argument for the sake of argument. Let the DS9 fans have their show, and let B5 fans have their show, period. Don’t be a hardcore B5 fanboy that will drive away DS9 fanboys, and vice versa. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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